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Chad Carsten's Sectional Proposal
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rtmarks65
Dec 12, 2019
Eric: I agree that it may be unless to fight an organization like the WIAA that put's little creativity and CC knowledge into our sport. Most of their mode of operation is to be politically correct, expedient and make sure they make money. They could still do all those things and have a better tournament for our sport if they wanted to. They had no problem getting the 5K for girls through when they wanted it despited the big divide in the WCCCA about the change. My(and other coaches) idea of going back to the 8 sectionals for D1 qualifying 2 + 4 wildcards is simple, it keeps good geographic representation, and save the WIAA money and does NOT increase the number of total teams at state(which I feel is maxed out now- D2 and D3 could go to 7 sectionals qualifying 2 + 2 wildcards or 6 sectionals qualifying 2 + 4 wildcards. That could do several things besides saving the WIAA money in not having to pay for at least 3 or 4 sectional sites and timing services and finding good course to host. Another benefit is that the sectional race will be larger and more like state and will favor the teams with better depth and balance.(the fewer the teams the less important depth is). Another big one is there should be no sectional with more than 2 incomplete teams!! The selection committee for the wildcards would be the automatic qualifying coaches in each gender and division since they have no axes to grind since they are already in. Each auto qualifying coach would vote for 4 schools in their division and gender who did not auto qualify and after voting the top 4 or 2 schools with votes would be the wildcards. Votes would need to be in to the WIAA buy the Sunday following sectionals. I also agree that our association is not showing the creativity, strength and cohesiveness that it needs to have to get positive changes done. Until the state meet format is changed it will not be the best meet in the state but a show case of the top 10 teams crushing a group of teams that shouldn't be there.
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Chad Carsten's Sectional Proposal
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rtmarks65
Nov 08, 2019
I think the 29% proposal does indeed make it worse not better. List me the ranked teams that would have made to state with this proposal. I venture to say that more and weaker teams would now be allowed to get to state. The rankings as mentioned are pretty darn good to my mind. I never felt our team was misrepresented on them whereas the sectional assignments in our area really were out of wack. I personally do not like the idea of extra qualifiers beyond what we have 20 and 16 is enough. I am quite sure the WIAA will not allow more teams than we have and I think the course dictates that. Either balancing or seeding the present sectionals, going back to 8 sectionals and 6 sectionals with 4 wildcard teams picked by a unbiased coaches committee, or even the 5 supersectionals in D1 picking 4, or in D2 and D3 4 supersectionals picking 4. In any case both would preserve regional representation and balance the power. Nobody is going to give someone a free pass to state without competing for it and raters are smart enough and know the courses well enough not to base their rankings totally on times. Head to head is the primary times would be secondary. Looks at the top half of the state results and tell me the rankers did not nail it pretty well this year. Why not the bottom half- well you have your answer with the way sectionals were set up to knock out about 30% of the best teams and replace them with teams that probably haven't placed in the top 3 in an invitational all year.
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Chad Carsten's Sectional Proposal
In Sectional Proposals
rtmarks65
Oct 29, 2019
I think by looking at the xtra qualifiers for D1 which is where we are we see an obvious monstrous flaw in this system. The system does not taken into consideration the major flaw of the sectional alignments -the imbalance of power in some of the sectionals. The most rather hilarious situation this year is that in probably the weakest sectional there is an extra qualifying team Badger just because they were in a sectional where only 1 runner broke 17 minutes and most ran times that would not have been in the top 25% of almost all the sectionals. Sun Praire the other possible extra qualifier was a solid team but lost to Madison Memorial and Verona in their conference meet. Verona beat West Allis Hale by over 100 points at Wisco and beat Kenosha Indian trail by 60 and now your system allows a team that Kenosha IT beat to advance to state while Whitefish Bay, Verona, Madison Memorial, Marshfield and probably Kimberly as well could easily beat KIT, Hale, Westosha, and West Bend West which Verona beat by over 100 points at Lourdes. This system will get more teams to state but many times it's just more teams that shouldn't be there. I feel the WIAA will not allow more than 20 teams and I happen to agree with them on this as the course is overloaded right now. This system will NOT resolve the problems. - I would not vote to have this system. I was suspicious of it before and now I see it's potential of getting more to state without solving the embedded problem. I would rather see 8 sectionals qualifying 2 and then have a committee pick four wild cards. Using the rankings and head to heads any good playground director could pick those teams. Who would they be this year- Madison Memorial, Kimberly, Verona, and Whitefish Bay with Marshfield right in there as well. Those who disagree with me let me know what teams you would pick. All four of these teams were ranked in the top 15 in the state during this season and proved themselves. Everyone one of these teams were in sectionals with at least 3 highly ranked teams with Verona and Madison Memorial being in the sectional with 5 teams that were ranked or had been. #2, #5, #12, #15 and Sauk Prairie that had been ranked as high as 18th. We need to do a better job of seeding the sectionals while keeping a reasonable geographic representation or go back to 8 sectionals and pick 4 wildcards. Football coaches seed their own sectionals, tennis coaches seed their sectional. Our ranking now are pretty darn close and could now easily be used to pick wildcards. I am not in favor of this new plan. It is too complicated and it does not get enough of the best teams to state. You are for sure leaving at least 20-25% of the top 15 teams in the state at home this year and it's not because they weren't good enough it's because the system isn't good enough and is letting kids down that achieved a certain level of excellence. I am not sure the WIAA is trying to encourage that with this broken system.
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